we need more women in linux, this is a huge sausage-fest. then again my goals may not be in line with those of the event organizers.
1 year, 2 months ago.
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@ollywompus - the misogyny is still alive and breathing in the geek community, be it implicit or explicit. If explicit, many times I don't think it is malicious, it is just that many deeply geeky guys are really uncomfortable with women and the deep geek community is their safe place. Thus to have a smart, equal woman in one's safe place when one can't deal... then bad things happen. I have been the woman who has been on the receiving end of this at several conferences.
There's also the thing that while a man can appreciate that women are able to master the same subjects, when she surpasses the abilities of the man in the same field, an almost primitive misogyny arises. The same reactionary approach takes place when some other man happens to betroth the geeky woman. Jealousy translates into misogyny.
@roland: Yeah. I guess I had to state it in my own terms, too. You must remember that a geeky man is handicapped by his autistic temperament. He's not at all good at emotions whether with women or anybody else -- mostly descending to the level of a 10 to 17 year old when things get challenging. When a geeky woman comes near, he feels both hope that there is someone who finally understands what his hobby/profession is about, and schizophrenically a threat that a woman intrudes into his last manly bastion. Also geeky men already feel threatened by the alpha and beta-males that have sidelined him from most relationships.
Not all geeks are autistic or Aspie, some are, some aren't. I give all due respect to folks whose brain works differently, mine certainly does (arty ADD brain). BUT... If folks can't deal, then go deal with it - we live in a world with many solutions & work arounds. We are all big people and to intimidate or otherwise treat people badly for something they can't change... Now that is just shitty. I promise not to go hard on deep geeks who may be Aspie, if they promise not got go hard on me for having inney bits mid-body. Part of being adult is facing up to what we can't change and giving grace where it is due. </rant or newagetherapysession>
Part of being adult is to acknowledge that we will die -- also that change is constant. Everything else is just good or bad luck and everything in between (mostly 'tween). Yes, in many cases you have to acknowledg your limitations but is that by free will?
Meh. I hate this subject. It's not about how men behave badly, it's also about how women unfortunately decide it's too difficult for them. I suggest the very hilarious http://emmajane.net/node/815 to see. (the OSCON slides are a bit funnier, but I'm biased, see slide 52).
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@ollywompus - the misogyny is still alive and breathing in the geek community, be it implicit or explicit. If explicit, many times I don't think it is malicious, it is just that many deeply geeky guys are really uncomfortable with women and the deep geek community is their safe place. Thus to have a smart, equal woman in one's safe place when one can't deal... then bad things happen. I have been the woman who has been on the receiving end of this at several conferences.
1 year, 2 months ago by msjen
There's also the thing that while a man can appreciate that women are able to master the same subjects, when she surpasses the abilities of the man in the same field, an almost primitive misogyny arises. The same reactionary approach takes place when some other man happens to betroth the geeky woman. Jealousy translates into misogyny.
1 year, 2 months ago by jkniiv
what @msjen said!
1 year, 2 months ago by roland
@roland: Yeah. I guess I had to state it in my own terms, too. You must remember that a geeky man is handicapped by his autistic temperament. He's not at all good at emotions whether with women or anybody else -- mostly descending to the level of a 10 to 17 year old when things get challenging. When a geeky woman comes near, he feels both hope that there is someone who finally understands what his hobby/profession is about, and schizophrenically a threat that a woman intrudes into his last manly bastion. Also geeky men already feel threatened by the alpha and beta-males that have sidelined him from most relationships.
1 year, 2 months ago by jkniiv
there is Debian women.
1 year, 2 months ago by whiteg
Not all geeks are autistic or Aspie, some are, some aren't. I give all due respect to folks whose brain works differently, mine certainly does (arty ADD brain). BUT... If folks can't deal, then go deal with it - we live in a world with many solutions & work arounds. We are all big people and to intimidate or otherwise treat people badly for something they can't change... Now that is just shitty. I promise not to go hard on deep geeks who may be Aspie, if they promise not got go hard on me for having inney bits mid-body. Part of being adult is facing up to what we can't change and giving grace where it is due. </rant or newagetherapysession>
1 year, 2 months ago by msjen
Part of being adult is to acknowledge that we will die -- also that change is constant. Everything else is just good or bad luck and everything in between (mostly 'tween). Yes, in many cases you have to acknowledg your limitations but is that by free will?
1 year, 2 months ago by jkniiv
no kidding about the lack of girls: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2873394056/
1 year, 2 months ago by cybette
Meh. I hate this subject. It's not about how men behave badly, it's also about how women unfortunately decide it's too difficult for them. I suggest the very hilarious http://emmajane.net/node/815 to see. (the OSCON slides are a bit funnier, but I'm biased, see slide 52).
1 year, 2 months ago by myrtti
Isn't it something that's need to be changed in other areas of the tech industry too?
1 year, 2 months ago by Cityrat59
Oh my dear Gaia - this was published on Monday and I read it only just now. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/teneasywaysattractwomenyourfreesoftwareproject
that article is soooooo to the point.
1 year, 1 month ago by myrtti
re-reading does reveal some errors, but there are pretty good points in that.
1 year, 1 month ago by myrtti