sorry to ask you this, Jaiku does not have a DM function and I don't have your email, but how old are you? i've always pegged you at no older than 28, but I can't tell tbh.
so back on topic, here are some people on Twitter said for inspiration:
Nokia = solid, reliable, perhaps a tad worthy & "dull" in the face of recent rival offerings
great handsets, reliable and robust, sadly lagging behind the Pre and iPhone in terms of design and UI
Leader of the the handset market - seems to be losing grip and direction at the moment.
once a market leader in handset innovation, now seems sadly lacking and playing catch up. NOK also now seems very unfocussed. Spread yourself too thin and you risk disappearing.
I think Nokia once stood for hardware innovation, but has lost that in its pursuit of software/services revenue.
ooo here is one from Eric, the guy behind phonescoop.com: I would describe Nokia's design language as staid, plain, dull, stuffy, safe, conservative, mass-market-minded, and maddening.
Like any large company which has a tradition of getting there by...getting there eventually, they are having a hard time competing with companies who are, on the whole, younger, and also companies who are minute compared to them.
How recently did people write Palm off? They were dead until what, 3-4 months ago.
There is not much, of the "current" internet left to innovate.
Yes, Nokia once stood for really fast innovation, when everyone else was twice as slow.
Now you have the Apples, Palms, Chinese companies who are blowing them out of the water.
Of those people you asked on Twitter, how old are they?
I would put it this way: Nokia has too big a name to allow themselves to fail. Like I said, they are again innovating - maybe the majority of that innovation is internally.
Not sure for your reason of asking for people born after 1977 (I guess for the "young hip peeps" :P), but for the average 18-24 year old, I doubt they see Nokia in the same light as they see Apple, LG, or (God forbid) Motorola.
I'm 28 and I've had only Nokia phones ever, I think 5 so far. I've inherited the brand loyalty from home: my dad's other favorite brands were Nikon, Pioneer and Braun, so I put them in same mental category with Nokia. I had very positive brand image of Nokia when growing up.
During the first IT bubble I had friends working in ITC , getting paid well and living large, and they were laughing at the sort of students or diploma engineers, who wanted to go work for Nokia. They were seen as the stereotype of unimaginative engineers. Nokia didn't give as good salaries to coders as smaller businesses.
I've been hoping for Nokia to make partnerships with web services I like and to come up with their own killer apps, but have been mildly let down or disillusioned. Of Nokia's ads, I've seen the B2B videos and Vanjoki presenting 'em and talking about the future predictions, but relly the first thing that comes to my mind of Nokia & marketing are the horrible Club Nokia SMSs and mails and the totally pointless Club Nokia site.
The people I like to see as the face and voice of Nokia are Jan Chipchase and Janne Jalkanen, not the big bosses. Those guys I admire and I trust them to be able to lead the way to the future, what ever that then may be.
I've digged and owned the following Nokia phone models when they've just come out as classy, chick and at the top of their game back then: 2110, 8110, 7210. But I don't like the look and logic of Nokia's UI or menus. :I
"The people I like to see as the face and voice of Nokia are Jan Chipchase and Janne Jalkanen, not the big bosses."
For me, this is a very very good point. The smart, intelligent people I have met working at Nokia are just amazing. And whats more, most of them seem passionate about what they do.
I am sure there are similar people working in Samsung, Apple, etc, but not many of them have adapted to "communicating with their consumers" as best as Nokia (IMHO), maybe Apple is better at it, but they listen, don't talk.
BUT, I think all this goes against them - the majority of phone buyers aged under 30 don't really care about Janne Jalkanen, Charlie Schick, whoever.
Its like on Friends, "everyone loves Chandler, when they get to know him." :)
my thoughts (I'm 28 and from Finland, too) are quite similar to @Suviko's. I've had a 3110, 3210, 3310, Samsung SGH-450, 6021, 6233 and N95. For me having a Nokia phone has been the easy solution, partly by comfort, partly by price/quality/features balance. Comfort comes in the fact I don't need to carry my phone charger around. I know there is one where ever I go. Especially 6021 and 6233 were perfect choices for the use I had for them, calendars I could sync, bluetooth and in 6233 a decent camera and 3G - that also fit the budget. They're solid devices which I love deeply...
@runningwithbulls: I'm not only from Finland, I've also been in the Nokia ecosystem all my working career and that might make me a bit bias. The other issue with being from Finland/living in here means that having a Nokia phone, you have a mobile charger where ever you go since everyone has a charger for Nokia. Go to US/UK/Sweden and it's not that certain anymore.
'77 here, I think nokia are more concerned with the long haul, coming up with standards that will last, and not getting caught up in the whirlwind that is the "now" It's steady, and I like that!
Stefan unfortunately your request tells me where Nokia is. Instead of doing this questionnaire on innovation, focus your efforts on actually innovating. Agree with Suviko, it's bottom-up baby. I am 23.
I was born in 79, so I guess I qualify. I've had some phones other than Nokia, but they were mostly crap (esp. Siemens!). I've had the old "just a phone" models, but currently use E71 and occasionally N810.
Simply put: I'd like to keep my computers Apple and handsets Nokia whenever possible. They seem to work for me. Of course, Nokia being a Finnish company is a big plus for me. Except for crap like Lex Nokia.
I'm not using any Nokia websites. Actually all the extra stuff that they do has always seemed pointless to me. I know it could be just me, but this mental image is hard to shake off.
too old to qualify, but back when I was younger nokia weren't innovators, but they were a reliable standard - if you wanted a good phone you got a nokia.
thats still the case, but there are a lot more high profile devices now.
as for recently, the maemo platform is groundbreaking in the level of interaction between corporation and developers - nokia has connected with the people on the ground.
they have given us a blank canvas to build and I see more and more apps every day as people find new and inventive uses for their tablets.
I'm apparently too old, but I've never really liked Nokia phones. Only had one, the "banana" and that one for only three months or so. Been a (Sony) Ericsson guy all along, but going to move to Android phones.
I always thought if you wanted a phone that had the basic options and long battery life, you'd get Nokia. If you wanted design or some new tech flavours, buy something else, kinda what @lcuk said. This has changed since, obviously.
I'm definitely almost 10 yrs over your definition to qualify, but... some few years ago, I've heard from many parents that they can't buy here (in Finland) any cheap (read - non-Nokia) phone because it had been considered uncool among peers... my friends now-16-then-12-yrs daughter refused to go to school with Motorola -- she said peers will make bully her with Moto (and yes, kolme-makkarat are subject of another rude jokes)
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wellies and tellies.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
When I was younger I wanted to work for 1 of 2 companies: Lucent Technologies, or Nokia.
Nokia, during the transition from electronics, TV, video, etc company to solely telecommunications company Nokia was probably at its most innovative.
They are now again, innovating themselves into a different type of company, which has affected me also.
For me, they are the U2 of technology companies.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
sorry to ask you this, Jaiku does not have a DM function and I don't have your email, but how old are you? i've always pegged you at no older than 28, but I can't tell tbh.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by constantine
LOL, Stefan you flatter me :)
No, I was born in 77. I'll mail you my e-mail address. Are you naked in your phonebook photo?! You can only see your shoulders.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
Another 77 baby :)
8 months, 2 weeks ago by alexleonard
@runningwithbulls I'm ROTFL at your question... coming to think of it, I think I too asked this question to Stefan :)
8 months, 2 weeks ago by Surya
so back on topic, here are some people on Twitter said for inspiration:
Nokia = solid, reliable, perhaps a tad worthy & "dull" in the face of recent rival offerings
great handsets, reliable and robust, sadly lagging behind the Pre and iPhone in terms of design and UI
Leader of the the handset market - seems to be losing grip and direction at the moment.
once a market leader in handset innovation, now seems sadly lacking and playing catch up. NOK also now seems very unfocussed. Spread yourself too thin and you risk disappearing.
I think Nokia once stood for hardware innovation, but has lost that in its pursuit of software/services revenue.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by constantine
ooo here is one from Eric, the guy behind phonescoop.com: I would describe Nokia's design language as staid, plain, dull, stuffy, safe, conservative, mass-market-minded, and maddening.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by constantine
@alexleonard yep..77 best year ever!
Solid, reliable, dull...Well, that might be.
Like any large company which has a tradition of getting there by...getting there eventually, they are having a hard time competing with companies who are, on the whole, younger, and also companies who are minute compared to them.
How recently did people write Palm off? They were dead until what, 3-4 months ago.
There is not much, of the "current" internet left to innovate.
Yes, Nokia once stood for really fast innovation, when everyone else was twice as slow.
Now you have the Apples, Palms, Chinese companies who are blowing them out of the water.
Of those people you asked on Twitter, how old are they?
I would put it this way: Nokia has too big a name to allow themselves to fail. Like I said, they are again innovating - maybe the majority of that innovation is internally.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
Not sure for your reason of asking for people born after 1977 (I guess for the "young hip peeps" :P), but for the average 18-24 year old, I doubt they see Nokia in the same light as they see Apple, LG, or (God forbid) Motorola.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
I'm 28 and I've had only Nokia phones ever, I think 5 so far. I've inherited the brand loyalty from home: my dad's other favorite brands were Nikon, Pioneer and Braun, so I put them in same mental category with Nokia. I had very positive brand image of Nokia when growing up.
During the first IT bubble I had friends working in ITC , getting paid well and living large, and they were laughing at the sort of students or diploma engineers, who wanted to go work for Nokia. They were seen as the stereotype of unimaginative engineers. Nokia didn't give as good salaries to coders as smaller businesses.
I've been hoping for Nokia to make partnerships with web services I like and to come up with their own killer apps, but have been mildly let down or disillusioned. Of Nokia's ads, I've seen the B2B videos and Vanjoki presenting 'em and talking about the future predictions, but relly the first thing that comes to my mind of Nokia & marketing are the horrible Club Nokia SMSs and mails and the totally pointless Club Nokia site.
The people I like to see as the face and voice of Nokia are Jan Chipchase and Janne Jalkanen, not the big bosses. Those guys I admire and I trust them to be able to lead the way to the future, what ever that then may be.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by Suviko
I've digged and owned the following Nokia phone models when they've just come out as classy, chick and at the top of their game back then: 2110, 8110, 7210. But I don't like the look and logic of Nokia's UI or menus. :I
8 months, 2 weeks ago by Suviko
"The people I like to see as the face and voice of Nokia are Jan Chipchase and Janne Jalkanen, not the big bosses."
For me, this is a very very good point. The smart, intelligent people I have met working at Nokia are just amazing. And whats more, most of them seem passionate about what they do.
I am sure there are similar people working in Samsung, Apple, etc, but not many of them have adapted to "communicating with their consumers" as best as Nokia (IMHO), maybe Apple is better at it, but they listen, don't talk.
BUT, I think all this goes against them - the majority of phone buyers aged under 30 don't really care about Janne Jalkanen, Charlie Schick, whoever.
Its like on Friends, "everyone loves Chandler, when they get to know him." :)
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
my thoughts (I'm 28 and from Finland, too) are quite similar to @Suviko's. I've had a 3110, 3210, 3310, Samsung SGH-450, 6021, 6233 and N95. For me having a Nokia phone has been the easy solution, partly by comfort, partly by price/quality/features balance. Comfort comes in the fact I don't need to carry my phone charger around. I know there is one where ever I go. Especially 6021 and 6233 were perfect choices for the use I had for them, calendars I could sync, bluetooth and in 6233 a decent camera and 3G - that also fit the budget. They're solid devices which I love deeply...
8 months, 2 weeks ago by myrtti
...as for Maemo I'm more or less biased and squealing happily. The squeals cover all my sensibility and leave me to fangirl level.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by myrtti
@myrtti not sure if being finnish excludes you :P thats kinda like asking an irish person whats the best stout?!
8 months, 2 weeks ago by runningwithbulls
@runningwithbulls: I'm not only from Finland, I've also been in the Nokia ecosystem all my working career and that might make me a bit bias. The other issue with being from Finland/living in here means that having a Nokia phone, you have a mobile charger where ever you go since everyone has a charger for Nokia. Go to US/UK/Sweden and it's not that certain anymore.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by myrtti
thank god for usb
8 months, 2 weeks ago by constantine
'77 here, I think nokia are more concerned with the long haul, coming up with standards that will last, and not getting caught up in the whirlwind that is the "now" It's steady, and I like that!
8 months, 2 weeks ago by mobiledan
Stefan unfortunately your request tells me where Nokia is. Instead of doing this questionnaire on innovation, focus your efforts on actually innovating. Agree with Suviko, it's bottom-up baby. I am 23.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by UBERKUUL
I was born in 79, so I guess I qualify. I've had some phones other than Nokia, but they were mostly crap (esp. Siemens!). I've had the old "just a phone" models, but currently use E71 and occasionally N810.
Simply put: I'd like to keep my computers Apple and handsets Nokia whenever possible. They seem to work for me. Of course, Nokia being a Finnish company is a big plus for me. Except for crap like Lex Nokia.
I'm not using any Nokia websites. Actually all the extra stuff that they do has always seemed pointless to me. I know it could be just me, but this mental image is hard to shake off.
Strong brand, solid phones.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by mandrl
i'm tooo old to qualify :-/
8 months, 2 weeks ago by cybette
too old to qualify, but back when I was younger nokia weren't innovators, but they were a reliable standard - if you wanted a good phone you got a nokia.
thats still the case, but there are a lot more high profile devices now.
as for recently, the maemo platform is groundbreaking in the level of interaction between corporation and developers - nokia has connected with the people on the ground. they have given us a blank canvas to build and I see more and more apps every day as people find new and inventive uses for their tablets.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by lcuk
I'm apparently too old, but I've never really liked Nokia phones. Only had one, the "banana" and that one for only three months or so. Been a (Sony) Ericsson guy all along, but going to move to Android phones.
I always thought if you wanted a phone that had the basic options and long battery life, you'd get Nokia. If you wanted design or some new tech flavours, buy something else, kinda what @lcuk said. This has changed since, obviously.
8 months, 2 weeks ago by Shrikey
I'm definitely almost 10 yrs over your definition to qualify, but... some few years ago, I've heard from many parents that they can't buy here (in Finland) any cheap (read - non-Nokia) phone because it had been considered uncool among peers... my friends now-16-then-12-yrs daughter refused to go to school with Motorola -- she said peers will make bully her with Moto (and yes, kolme-makkarat are subject of another rude jokes)
8 months, 1 week ago by silpol